1 John 2 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
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1 John 2
Christ Is Our Advocate
1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Is this out of context?
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I won't say that I know what John meant by "kosmos", or the world, but I do know that it has a pretty general definition. It could be in a narrow sense just as easily as an all-encompassing sense.
But I dunno(?)
I was told that the NASB was one of the most correct translations of the original Greek. That's why I used that translation.
a narrow sense? "..not for ours only but also for those of the whole world" How can world mean anything other than the world?
The Greek word is kosmos. I encourage you to look it up.
kosmos=people,world,universe.
"people" doesn't make sense in this context. The original Greek is not in favor of what you are saying.
Actually the actual definition is "the whole world in a broad or narrow sense". I don't know what you are using to find your definition but that is the real one.
It makes sense in this case to let the rest of Scripture define exactly what he is saying.
What did you use to look it up? Strong's Exhaustive Concordance says this:
"kosmos- orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by imp. the world (in a wide or narrow sense, includ. its inhab., lit. or fig.[mor.]):-adorning, world."
How in the world can anyone think for one second that God pre-selected certian people for his kingdom? Josh makes point after biblical point that God wanted his glory for each and every one of us and this Jeff person continually tries to pry his own definitions out of tiny parts of own biblical world. Give it up Jeff. HE wants the world to know and love him. Not just the selfish ones who think it's just for them....
Josh, I am pretty excited because God has been showing me how to truly interpret Scripture with Scripture. I have to tell you that yes, 1 John 2:1-2 has been horribly taken out of context. In Galations 2:9 we are told that James, Peter, and John went to minister to the circumcised. In other words the Jews, of course. So in using this Scripture and things John says within the passage itself(and there is a lot of evidence) we must conclude that John is writing to Jewish believers. "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins(the Jewish believers) and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world(Gentiles appointed unto salvation)" The point was that Jesus not only died for the Jews but also for the Gentiles.
That statement only fits in a Calvinist worldview. I could use that same Biblical evidence to support a non-Calvinist point of view.
I think that whoever this "anonymous" is needs to be careful how they come across. Peoples' views need to be respected, so it's important to use tact in a conversation like this. While I disagree with the definition of election presented in Calvinism, I still don't want to belittle anyone who believes it. This blog is free to comment in, but personal attacks are not acceptable. If personal attacks are all you have to offer, please post them somewhere else.
Please don't confuse man's selfishness with God's sovereignty. it takes more humility and trembling to say that God shows mercy to whom He shows mercy and hardens whom He hardens, WITHOUT the merit of any man.
I welcome you to explain your points, like Josh did, with Scripture. That is what we are doing here.
I would like to hear how you can use the things i said to support a non-Calvinist point of view
Jesus did die for Jews and Gentiles. John did minister to the Jews. Does not change the fact that he still said the whole world.
Stating historical fact does not change what the Bible says.
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